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  Msg # 22 of 42 on ZZLI4425, Tuesday 10-27-25, 9:24  
  From: SIMON MCVITTIE  
  To: ALL  
  Subj: Re: Remove gtk2 for forky?  
 From: smcv@debian.org 
  
 On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 at 20:18:32 -0400, Jeremy B€cha wrote: 
 >I believe the only key package is the debian-installer which I think 
 >we can figure out this development cycle. 
  
 Converting d-i to (a sensible threading model, and then) GTK 3 continues 
 to be something I'm sporadically working on. Until that is something 
 that the d-i team could realistically review and merge, I don't think 
 removing GTK 2 is feasible, because the graphical installer is a 
 requirement for Debian's support for languages that aren't feasible to 
 implement on the Linux console (for example Arabic). 
  
 (And as long as we need GTK 2's udebs, I would strongly prefer to 
 continue to have its .deb as well, so that it's possible to test it 
 without resorting to doing a whole d-i build.) 
  
 Starting to raise more of the "relies on GTK 2" bugs to serious could 
 make sense, particularly if you can point to specific functionality that 
 is expected in 2025 applications but cannot be provided by GTK 2. But I 
 predict that some Debian contributors will be vociferously opposed to 
 its removal and I don't have the spoons to fight them over this. 
  
      smcv 
  
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