From: nilesh@debian.org 
  
 On 23/08/25 10:59 pm, Otto Kek€€l€€inen wrote: 
 > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 at 08:00, Andrea Bolognani  wrote: 
 >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 01:34:16PM -0700, Otto Kek€€l€€inen wrote: 
 >>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 at 19:33, Theodore Ts'o  wrote: 
 > ... 
 >>> So all the effort the submitter did - and also me as mentor - was in 
 >>> vain. This is not the end of the world, but I wanted to share it as an 
 >>> anecdote of the new contributor experience. 
 >> 
 >> I find it quite interesting that you would qualify this as a wasted 
 >> effort on the mentee's part and your own. 
 >> 
 >> This implies that the primary goal when opening the MR was getting 
 >> the person's name into the Debian changelog / git log, not improving 
 >> Debian or gaining experience in how to contribute. So it sounds to me 
 >> like your perception of the outcome was heavily influenced by the 
 >> initial framing. 
 > 
 > No, it does not imply. Actually I find it quite demotivating having 
 > spent extensive amounts of time improving Debian in various ways that 
 > somebody writes on debian-devel@ that my goal is *not improving 
 > Debian*. Please don't write such things. Instead assume good faith and 
 > think about what the positive interpretation would be in case I didn't 
 > write clearly enough. 
  
 I hope that Andrea wrote that with different intentions. If not, and the 
 meaning 
 is same as what you (Otto) say above, I agree that it is incredibly rude 
 framing. 
 We can do better. 
  
 This thread has also reached at its 100+ email mark. Like a large majority 
 of 
 threads which 
 cross a certain threshold of emails (which is also mostly a 3 digit number), 
 this 
 thread seems to have lost its usefulness at this point, and we are only 
 fighting over 
 minutiae. 
  
 The original message was "please take a look at MRs before upload". It is a 
 "suggestion". 
 It does not look like such an intrusive suggestion to devolve into almost 
 a mini-flamewar of this kind. I, for one, acknowledge the suggestion and 
 would 
 check 
 open MRs before I upload my next package. Simple as that. 
  
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