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  Msg # 343 of 1194 on ZZLI4422, Sunday 10-04-25, 1:22  
  From: CHRIS HOFSTAEDTLER  
  To: ALL  
  Subj: Future of db5.3 - help needed (1/2)  
 From: zeha@debian.org 
  
 Hello fellow Debian developers, 
  
 as you likely are aware, the db5.3 package ("Berkeley DB", short 
 "bdb" or just "db") is orphaned in Debian, and also upstream 
 (Oracle) changed the license for new versions. It is also a popular 
 library for "simple" databases. This leaves us with the problem that 
 we ship this to our users, but the future of it seems problematic 
 and possibly unsupportable. 
  
 I'm by no means an expert on this topic and I also cannot drive 
 this, but it seemed important enough to me to highlight this 
 problem, and ask you all for help. 
  
 In 2021, Bastian Blank filed bug #987013 "Release goal proposal: 
 Remove Berkeley DB". As was rightfully noted, all packages using 
 bdb today need to make a plan. Some can hopefully just remove 
 bdb support, but others will need a migration plan for users. 
  
 For packages storing user data in bdb format, it would seem like a 
 good idea to provide an upgrade path latest in forky. 
  
 So, if you have a package using bdb, please see if you can remove 
 support during forky. If not, please see about supporting an upgrade 
 path to another database format during forky. Then hopefully db5.3 
 can go away during the duke release cycle. 
  
 Below is a dd-list of direct (build-)dependencies. Software 
 using bdb indirectly, f.e. via Perl, Python, PHP, Cobol bindings 
 also needs to be identified. 
  
 Help on all these tasks would surely be appreciated. Feel free to 
 mark any bugs you file as blocking #1117120. 
  
 Best, 
 Chris 
  
  
 Also see https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/db5.3-rm.html 
  
  
 dd-list follows: 
  
 Adrian Bunk  
     bogofilter 
  
 Adrian Knoth  
     jack-audio-connection-kit (U) 
     jackd2 (U) 
  
 Afif Elghraoui  
     gridengine (U) 
  
 Alberto Fuentes  
     animals 
  
 Alexander Zangerl  
     nmh 
  
 Alexandre Mestiashvili  
     libpam-abl 
  
 Amin Bandali  
     evolution-data-server (U) 
  
 Andreas Metzler  
     exim4 (U) 
  
 Andreas R€€nnquist  
     poedit (U) 
  
 Anthony Prades  
     cyrus-imapd (U) 
  
 APT Development Team  
     apt 
  
 Aron Xu  
     libpinyin (U) 
  
 Asias He  
     libpinyin (U) 
  
 Barak A. Pearlmutter  
     mit-scheme 
  
 Bastian Germann  
     monero (U) 
     reprepro 
  
 Benjamin Drung  
     bdbvu 
  
 Bernhard Schmidt  
     bind9 (U) 
  
 Brian May  
     heimdal 
  
 ChangZhuo Chen (€€€€€€€€€)  
     libpinyin (U) 
  
 Chris Lamb  
     diffoscope (U) 
  
 Christoph Berg  
     xastir (U) 
  
 Christoph Egger  
     clisp (U) 
  
 Christoph Martin  
     sks 
  
 Chrysostomos Nanakos  
     tcpstat 
  
 Daniel Markstedt  
     netatalk (U) 
  
 Dave Hibberd  
     xastir (U) 
  
 Dave Love  
     gridengine (U) 
  
 David B€€rgin  
     opendkim 
  
 David Kalnischkies  
     apt (U) 
  
 Debian Apache Maintainers  
     apr-util 
  
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     clisp 
  
 Debian Cryptocoin Team  
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     389-ds-base 
  
 Debian GNOME Maintainers  
     evolution-data-server 
  
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     xastir 
  
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     gridengine 
  
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     libpinyin 
  
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     iproute2 
  
 Debian l10n developers  
     poedit 
  
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     libguestfs 
  
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 Debian Netatalk team  
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 Debian PHP Maintainers  
     php8.4 
  
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     postfix 
  
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     bmf 
     c-icap 
     c-icap-modules 
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     hpsockd 
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     librcc 
     moc 
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     freespeech 
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 Debian VoIP Team  
     kamailio 
  
 Debian XMPP Maintainers  
     jabberd2 
  
 Dmitry Smirnov  
     litecoin 
  
 Dominic Hargreaves  
     perl (U) 
  
 Dominik George  
     heimdal (U) 
  
 Dovecot Maintainers  
     dovecot 
  
 Exim4 Maintainers  
     exim4 
  
 Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)  
     webalizer (U) 
  
 Francisco Vilmar Cardoso Ruviaro  
     bruteforce-wallet (U) 
  
 Free Ekanayaka  
     jack-audio-connection-kit (U) 
  
 Gianfranco Costamagna  
     poedit (U) 
  
 Guido G€€nther  
     libguestfs (U) 
     libpam-ccreds 
  
 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh  
     cyrus-imapd (U) 
  
 Hilko Bengen  
     libguestfs (U) 
  
 Holger Levsen  
  
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