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  Msg # 310 of 1194 on ZZLI4422, Wednesday 9-02-25, 1:18  
  From: AAYUSH RAJ  
  To: ALEXANDER WIRT  
  Subj: Re: Introducing salsa-status.debian.net   
 From: meet44yu5h@gmail.com 
  
 Apologies for a delayed response. I wanted to get back sooner, but things 
 got a bit chaotic wrapping up GSoC. 
  
  
 > First of all, nice work. 
 > Yes! It's a nice-looking dashboard indeed :) 
 Thanks, Ananthu and Andrea! :) 
  
 > But that aside, the name sound incredibily misleading to me, as it's 
 > not salsa-status, but rather salsa-ci-status. 
 The domain name, salsa-status.debian.net, was intentionally kept generic to 
 allow for future expansions if any, such as including global status/stats 
 about Salsa and not just be limited to Salsa CI. The dashboard provides a 
 much richer visualization and improves transparency, and I believe many 
 folks would be interested in having this. This, of course, depends on 
 collaborations from Salsa admins :) We have an issue tracker for this at 
 https://salsa.debian.org/salsa/todo/-/issues/41 to explore the 
 possibilities for the same. 
  
 > I'd like it more if I can see it on my mobile screen without needing 
 desktop view though :p 
 Added to my todo list! :^) 
  
  
 Quoting Alexander, 
 > Which api endpoint do you scrape and how often? 
  
 Thanks, Alex! I understand your concern. 
 We mostly fetch from these endpoints: 
 `/projects/:id` 
 `/projects/:id/pipelines/:pipeline_id` 
 `/projects/:id/pipelines/:pipeline_id/jobs` 
  
 This results in roughly 250 - 300 API calls per hour on a sunny day, which 
 I think is decently low. Initially, while development I expected there to 
 be much higher traffic, so the backend was designed with extreme frugality 
 to avoid hitting API rate limits (even without a token). However, testing 
 revealed that the actual daily pipeline runs are far fewer than 
 anticipated. The fewer runs are also a good sign, as it shows that 
 pipelines aren€€€t being abused. I doubt that these api calls will put much 
 stress, if at all. 
  
 During the last 10 days, we noticed 55+ projects that haven€€€t been updated 
 in over 2 years but still run multiple scheduled pipelines daily or weekly. 
 >From my estimates, that is more than ~3300 pipelines and ~34600 jobs each 
 year run in vain. These projects have been running this way continuously 
 for 2 to 5 years. This is pure wastage of huge amounts of resources and 
 unnecessary traffic, often contributing to long queue delays that I am sure 
 many of us have already experienced. Thanks to the website, we can spot and 
 prevent this now :D 
  
 Disabling scheduled pipelines for such inactive projects would prevent 
 wastage, free up significant resources, ease pipeline congestion, and yield 
 benefits far beyond the modest api savings. 
  
 I've noted long pipeline pending times mostly between 1600 and 2200 UTC. We 
 also often receive requests on #salsaci and even on #salsa for insights 
 into pending pipeline queues. Perhaps the website could help ease this pain 
 point as well someday (wink wink Salsa admins) 
  
 > That is useful information, but in the end leaves me with even more 
 questions. I really want to have an answer to my questions. Otherwise it 
 may happen that we just block the service. 
 Let€€€s not rush this :) It would be better to let it bear some fruit first 
 and see what benefits it brings to Salsa and the wider Debian packaging 
 ecosystem that relies on Salsa CI, and then revisit this discussion if 
 needed. From my experience working with the Salsa CI Team, the potential 
 upside feels very needful and valuable. Thanks, Lucas, for responding! 
  
  
 Quoting Richard, 
 > maybe the x-axis on the grpah should be 24 hours to capture all timezones 
 Indeed, they are 24h. Note the x-axis labels were reduced to 8 with steps 
 of 3 (8*3=24) to prevent overcrowding. 
  
 > i was surprised how low the total number of CI runs are - it's only able 
 > to run at most 35 pipelines at once? or there's lots of unused capacity? 
 I have witnessed 90+ pipelines running simultaneously during the spike a 
 few days ago, so yes, that should be the unused capacity. 
  
 >  what is the significant of the people on 
 > the graph? at the moment is looks like you are blaming them for the 
 > peaks 
 Those are the merged MRs from the Salsa CI pipeline repo. The idea is that 
 if a MR or feature rollout causes a regression or improvement in pipelines 
 or jobs, we can visualize it by looking at the trends after the merge. They 
 act more like markers in the timeline. 
  
 Thanks for clarifying, IOhannes! Yes, as the header on the homepage 
 indicates, they represent the MRs from the Salsa CI pipeline. 
  
  
 Quoting IOhannes, 
 > but afaict, jobs are being collected via a webhook called from the 
 default pipelines, which I think means that only standard pipelines are 
 going to be captured 
 Somewhat similar! The Salsa CI pipeline first makes an API call to register 
  
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