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  Msg # 1049 of 1179 on ZZLI4422, Sunday 8-16-25, 7:46  
  From: ANDREY RAKHMATULLIN  
  To: JOHN GOERZEN  
  Subj: Re: Request to reconsider i386 (x86) por  
 From: wrar@debian.org 
  
 On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 07:28:24AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: 
 >> i386 has been phased out a long time ago by many software projects as well 
 as 
 >> operating systems. Even in Debian, it was still on life support and now 
 that 
 >> life support is gone. 
 > 
 >Without getting into a debate over whether i386 should or should not be 
 >dropped, as someone that runs other 32-bit archs, I wonder why armhf and 
 >armel weren't similarly targeted? 
  
 i386 as a partial port was deemed useful for many people. Besides, in the 
 area where it's useful many of its old limitations can be lifted. 
  
 >I don't know that most of the software Debian includes would be highly 
 >opinionated about particular 32-bit archs.  I suppose if compilers were 
 >actively dropping support for i386, that would make a difference.  (I 
 >guess then I'd still have to wonder why they are dropping i386 but not 
 >armhf) 
  
 Software is actively dropping support for pre-SSE2 i386 (for many years 
 already), I think that counts. 
 But also, yes, compilers do this too, see the recent rust/clang discussion 
 that led to the official baseline bump for i386 in trixie. 
  
 >I note that armel will also be dropped for forky 
  
 Good, but it's unclear why you mentioned it in the question then. Unless 
 you've meant leaving it as a rump architecture for some reason? Or what 
 did you actually want to ask? 
  
 -- 
 WBR, wRAR 
  
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