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 "Fraser"  wrote in message 
 news:20Wwb.7150$4Y6.4254@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net... 
 > 
 > "Terry"  wrote in message 
 > news:3FC4171F.75755663@nf.sympatico.ca... 
 > > Obviously selected for maximum effect; but just to mention some 
 > > 'actual life' (or should that be 'death'?) situations: 
 > > A current ad on Canadian TV is a waitress who has never smoked 
 > > but has spent her working life in a bar where people smoked. 
 > > She has terminal lung cancer due to 'Second Hand Smoke'. 
 > > Many bars and restaurants now do not allow smoking. 
 > 
 > Yup, and bars know they now have to make an effort to clean the air. So we 
 > do have an improvement. 
  
 How many of them?  Few and far between. 
  
 > Secondly, people without exposure to 
 > second-hand smoke also get terminal 
 > lung cancer. Who is to say she wouldn't 
 > have gotten it even if she spent her 
 > life working in the open air in the country? 
  
 Oh my God the addicted are at it again!!  "They would have got it anyway", 
 and "my granddad died at 90 and chain smoked and was siuper fit (as if)", 
 etc. 
  
 The probability of getting lung cancer when smoking is massively higher. 
  
 ...and he rambles on.... 
  
 > Your wording is very 
 > interesting, when scientifically, there isn't really 
 > away that you can say - 
 > "She has terminal lung cancer due to 'Second 
 > Hand Smoke'" and be 100% accurate. 
  
 He fails to understand probabilities. 
  
 > Tragic. Yes, smoking kills unfortunatly. 
 > That's never been the debate here. 
  
 Are you mad?   many here are telling us it doesn't or the risk is so low it 
 is not worth talking about and smokers have this God given right to ruin 
 other people's health. 
  
 ..and more absolute garbage from the addicted... 
  
 > Hmm, horrible. I smoke in my car, but always 
 > with the window open. Combined 
 > with an anti-tobacco air freshener, it's not smelly at all. 
  
 You can NEVER get rid of the awful nicotine small in a car.  The only way is 
 to replace the capets and roof lining and hope you have wash down leather 
 seats.  he NEVER goes away. 
  
 I only buy new cars as I know there hasn't been a smoker in it. 
  
 > > Our estimate was that due to the smoke damage the vehicle had 
 > > lost 'at least' several thousand dollars due to smoke damage. If 
 > > you take conservative estimates of a) The loss of value (-$4000); 
 > > together with 
 > 
 > Ignore that, it's small fry. ;-) 
  
 Sure it is! 
  
  
  
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