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 From: bill.g@sympatico.ca 
  
 mot elbirret wrote: 
  
 > "Bill"  wrote in message 
 > news:41EC3ACC.F6B0BE69@sympatico.ca... 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > mot elbirret wrote: 
 > > 
 > >> "Bill"  wrote in message 
 > >> news:41EC3629.BD76AE43@sympatico.ca... 
 > >> > 
 > >> > 
 > >> > mot elbirret wrote: 
 > >> > 
 > >> >> "Peter Benyk"  wrote in message 
 > >> >> news:ItWGd.12789$Ka6.89152@news1.mts.net... 
 > >> >> > You just demonstrated your ignorance for everyone to see which was 
 > >> >> > my 
 > >> >> > point from the start that you are ignorant about bilingualism as 
 are 
 > >> >> > a 
 > >> >> > lot 
 > >> >> > of people. 
 > >> >> > Manitoba is not officially bilingual. 
 > >> >> > Quebec is supposed to be bilingual but you certainly can't tell 
 from 
 > >> >> > their 
 > >> >> > treatment of English speaking Canadians there. 
 > >> >> 
 > >> >> speaking of ignorance... 
 > >> >> 
 > >> >> As an english Canadian in Quebec let me tell you we are treated just 
 > >> >> fine. 
 > >> >> 
 > >> >> thanks for asking. 
 > >> > 
 > >> > Have any of the Quebec cities passed bilingual policies that mandate 
 > >> > all 
 > >> > their 
 > >> > supervisors to be bilingual in order that staff members man work in 
 > >> > either 
 > >> > official language, similar to what is being done in the city of 
 Ottawa? 
 > >> 
 > >> Bill, he implied we were badly treated here in Quebec. 
 > >> 
 > >> He's wrong. 
 > >> 
 > >> That's really the only part of his post i'm interested in. 
 > >> 
 > >> You can fight about official bilinguilism all you wish, but anglos 
 aren't 
 > >> badly treated in here. 
 > > 
 > > Do you have Ontario tags on your car? I guess not, so you 
 > > would not notice that their cops will pick an Ontario car out 
 > > of a string of quebec cars all traveling at the same speed 
 > > and pull the ontario guy over. 
 > 
 > Are we talking about how Ontarians are treated here? 
  
 No not at all! 
  
 > 
 > 
 > Perhaps ones with chips on their shoulers get mistreated. 
  
 Perhaps, and perhaps they are just good people that are smart enough to 
 understand what their rights are and have the courage to demand their 
 rights, 
 do 
 have a difficult time.  The wimps probably see nothing wrong with anything. 
  
 > 
 > 
 > But you expect people who live in Quebec to have Ontario plates 
 apparently.. 
 > so maybe this is how "reasonable" people such as yourself are treated. 
  
 There was no need of that statement. I corrected myself by saying "I guess 
 not" 
 and you can read. The point I was making was that, of course you would not 
 be 
 treated any different, if no one knows you are different. If you have Quebec 
 tags and you speak and dress like a Quebecois then they cannot treat you 
 different because they don't know you are different. You simply appear to 
 the 
 asshole Quebec cops like any Quebecois so they do not pull you out of a 
 string 
 of cars. They wait for the Ontario tagged car and ticket the guy they think 
 is 
 anglo. 
  
 > 
 > > 
 > > Did you notice that your language had to be printed in a 
 > > submissive way on all signs? 
 > 
 > It's a language. nothing more, nothing else. It's a way of communicating. 
 > It's not "submissive". One of my dogs is "submissive" 
  
 If you say it's not submissive then fine. You are a nice and submissive guy. 
 You 
 don't mind submitting to having your language printed in a way that is 
 subservient / lesser / smaller then french in Quebec. Perhaps you like 
 having 
 your language treated in such a manor. I will tell you that your  french 
 friends 
 don't put up with it. The don't even like their language being printed 
 equal in 
 size or prominence with the other official language in Canada. They are so 
 un-submissive that they want their language printed larger and more 
 prominent 
 and even pass racist laws to have it their way. 
  
  
  
 > 
 > 
 > bigots like you on both sides turn it into a reason to hate. end of story 
  
 Hey hey! What's all this bigot stuff? How very convenient for you to sit on 
 your 
 throne and declare anyone who dar disagree with you a bigot. 
  
 > 
 > > 
 > > Have any of the Quebec cities passed bilingual policies 
 > > that mandate all  their supervisors to be bilingual in order 
 > > that staff members man work in either official language. 
 > 
 > What does that have to do with the way Anglos are treated in Quebec? 
  
 Well if you live and work in a Quebec city You might want the freedom to 
 work 
 for the city in your own language and you might want your supervisor to be 
 able 
 to speak to you in your own language.  I can assure you that the french want 
 all 
 that as a minimum, and are trying hard to make it happen wherever they can 
 for 
 themselves. Of course if you are a submissive type and you do not mind not 
 receiving the treatment that all your french friends want and are demanding, 
 then it's ok with me. Just try not to set to pathetic an example for your 
 decedents to have to follow. 
  
 > Is 
 > english your first language? 
  
 What has that (Lets see how did you put that.) to do with how badly you are 
 treated there in Quebec? 
  
 > 
 > > 
 > > Do the cities bother to print notices in english so that you 
 > > as a tax payer knows what's going on. 
 > 
 > Mine does, again, it's a language. I dare say no one has not found a 
 > hospital 
  
 Well that's good, a lot of the taxpayers around Hull don't get much in the 
 way 
 of service announcements in English. 
  
  
 > 
 > > 
 > > If none of the above indignities don't bother you then 
 > > perhaps you are not as Anglo as you profess, either 
 > > that or we are going way to far out of our way to make 
 > > life reasonable for the French in Ontario. 
 > > 
 > 
 > Now i'm not english? 
  
 Bill 101 was declared racist and is law only because your french friends 
 employed the not with standing clause to make themselves feel superior to 
 other 
 Canadians. I cannot see how any anglo worth his salt would condone such 
 action 
 and look the other way. 
  
 > 
 > 
 > There's no indignity to understanding I live among people who speak a 
 > different language. When most of the population speaks french, it's 
 > reasonable to have to learn some french to get by. 
  
 I wish you could come and teach your brand of logic to the federal 
 government 
 Then maybe since the french only represent 22.5 % of the Canadian population 
 they should do as you advocate for yourself IE all the french should learn 
 and 
 speak the language of the majority. 
  
 Most of the population speaks English! Not French! 
  
 > 
 > 
 > Even with that said, there's parts of the city where you could have a hard 
 > time finding service in french. It's because there's not many french people 
 > living there. I suspect franco's in montreal who don't speak english don't 
 > spend much time on the west island, like my mother who speaks little french 
 > avoids the east end. 
 > 
 > Take your lies and hate mongering 
  
 I don't lie or hate monger. I tell the truth! 
  
  
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