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  Msg # 90 of 3283 on ZZCA4353, Monday 7-14-24, 8:01  
  From: DON WAGNER  
  To: MOUNTAIN GOAT  
  Subj: Re: U.S. Death toll tops 8000  
 XPost: calgary.general, can.general, can.politics 
 XPost: edm.general 
 From: donw102@shaw.ca 
  
 "Mountain Goat"  wrote in message 
 news:031pu0l899trmj7m0pitun96fvbdt6hli3@4ax.com... 
 > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:05:56 GMT, "Don Wagner"  
 > wrote: 
 > 
 >> 
 >>"Jon Flamming"  wrote in message 
 >>news:20050116231726483-0700@news.telusplanet.net... 
 >>> In  Don Wagner wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>  wrote in message 
 >>>> news:1105911628.864007.140910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 
 >>>>> "Press your nose and make a buzzer sound" Glen 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> The question was: "How many Presidents have fought in combat in 
 >>>>> the 
 >>>>> last 200 years?" 
 >>>>> . 
 >>>>> The answer is still "zero". No Presidents have *ever* been in 
 >>>>> combat. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> In no particular order 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Garfeild  -- Colonel in the Civil War. May have been at the 
 >>>> battle, 
 >>Brigadeer, later Major General. Led a brigade at Middle Creek, 
 >>Kentuckey 
 >> 
 >>>> but may not have seen action. Wealthy family, you see. 
 >> 
 >>Right. Fatherless at 2. Canal boat horse driver. Wealthy my ass. 
 >> 
 >>>> George Bush -- The elder? Flew torpedo bombers in the Pacfic. Was 
 >>>> shot 
 >>>> down and recovered. 
 >> 
 >>The Elder 
 >> 
 >>>> Gerald Ford -- Who cares? 
 >> 
 >>>> U.S. Grant -- About the only real fighting he did was in the 
 >>>> Mexican 
 >>>> War. Commanded during the Civil War as a general, but generals 
 >>>> never 
 >>>> see action anyway. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Benjamin Harrison -- Another higher-ranking officer. Never really 
 >>>> saw 
 >>>> combat. Wealthy family. 
 >> 
 >>Born on a farm. Not wealthy. What does wealth have to do with it 
 >>anyway? 
 >>As far as combat, he was a Colonel. Not unheard of for them to see 
 >>combat 
 >>in that era 
 >> 
 >>>> William Henry Harrison -- Ditto 
 >> 
 >>Say lots of combat against the indians. 
 >> 
 >>>> Rutherford Hayes -- Same 
 >> 
 >>Strange how he got wounded if, as you say, he never saw combat. 
 >> 
 >>>> Andrew Jackson -- Actually did fight and really did kill. One of 
 >>>> a 
 >>>> very few number. 
 >>>> John F. Kennedy -- Some question as to his combat record. Likely 
 >>>> commanded a PT boat because they were unlikely to see action. 
 >>>> Just 
 >>>> J.F. 
 >>>> K's luck it didn't turn out that way. 
 >>> 
 >>>> A. Lincoln -- Really did fight. 
 >>> 
 >>>> William Mckinley -- Actually was an member of command staff. 
 >>>> Secretary 
 >>>> will a rank. 
 >> 
 >>A Private as a member of Command staff? He ended the war as a brevet 
 >>Major 
 >>> 
 >>>> James Monroe -- he fought. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Theodore Roosevelt -- He said he did. 
 >> 
 >>So did the men he commanded 
 >> 
 >>> 
 >>>> Zachery Taylor -- Fought, but who cares? It's Zachary Taylor. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Nixon, Ford and Johnson were all in WWII and may or 
 >>>> may not have seen combat 
 >>> 
 >>> Are you kidding? Only the media or the motor pool was shot at. 
 >>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Jimmy Carter was in the Navy and may have seen service 
 >>>> in Korea 
 >>> 
 >>> Was in the US Navy so little got so match as a scratch in Korea. 
 >> 
 >>Not sure what you mean here. He was in the Navy for 7 years. 
 >> 
 > The US navy did take casualties and lose vessels (five, all 'mined') 
 > in the Korean war but Carter was no where near it. 
 > 
 > He was a submarine officer after two years on battleship 
 > (1946-1948), 
 > and was assigned to the nuclear submarine program in 1950. Neither 
 > of 
 > the two (at the time) nuclear 'boats' were deployed to Korea as the 
 > construction took so long that SSN 571 USS Seawolf (Carter's ship) 
 > was 
 > not even launched until 1957, after he had left the navy to take on 
 > the family business after his father's death in 1953. 
  
 Thanks 
  
 Don Wagner 
  
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