XPost: calgary.general, can.general, can.politics 
 XPost: edm.general 
 From: donw102@shaw.ca 
  
 "Jon Flamming"  wrote in message 
 news:20050118090757511-0700@news.telusplanet.net... 
 > In  Don Wagner wrote: 
 >> 
 >> "Jon Flamming"  wrote in message 
 >> news:20050116231726483-0700@news.telusplanet.net... 
 >>> In  Don Wagner wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>  wrote in message 
 >>>> news:1105911628.864007.140910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 
 >>>>> "Press your nose and make a buzzer sound" Glen 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> The question was: "How many Presidents have fought in combat in 
 >>>>> the 
 >>>>> last 200 years?" 
 >>>>> . 
 >>>>> The answer is still "zero". No Presidents have *ever* been in 
 >>>>> combat. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> In no particular order 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Garfeild  -- Colonel in the Civil War. May have been at the 
 >>>> battle, 
 >> Brigadeer, later Major General. Led a brigade at Middle Creek, 
 >> Kentuckey 
 > 
 > Ooooo...Battle of Middle Creek. Lucky for him he managed to avoid 
 > Gettysburg. 
  
 I see. So Gettysburg was the only battle of the Civil war? 
 > 
 > 
 >>>> but may not have seen action. Wealthy family, you see. 
 >> 
 >> Right. Fatherless at 2. Canal boat horse driver. Wealthy my ass. 
 > 
 > He did get into politics, right? Made it to a brigader, right? 
 > Sounds 
 > like there was monied influence at work. 
  
 So please point out where it came from. 
 > 
 >> 
 >>>> George Bush -- The elder? Flew torpedo bombers in the Pacfic. Was 
 >>>> shot 
 >>>> down and recovered. 
 >> 
 >> The Elder 
 >> 
 >>>> Gerald Ford -- Who cares? 
 >> 
 >>>> U.S. Grant -- About the only real fighting he did was in the 
 >>>> Mexican 
 >>>> War. Commanded during the Civil War as a general, but generals 
 >>>> never 
 >>>> see action anyway. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Benjamin Harrison -- Another higher-ranking officer. Never really 
 >>>> saw 
 >>>> combat. Wealthy family. 
 >> 
 >> Born on a farm. Not wealthy. What does wealth have to do with it 
 >> anyway? 
 > 
 > Family owned land, therefore, wealthy. As for the wealth aspect of 
 > it, 
 > it was well-known that wealthy families could assure that their sons 
 > could serve in the Civil War, but never see combat, unless there was 
 > some unforeseen circumstance. Hell, even during conscription, anyone 
 > could get out of service if they paid $300. That where they got the 
 > term, 
 > "Rich man's war, poor man's fight." 
  
 So are you saying he never saw combat? Please provide a cite. 
  
 > 
 >> As far as combat, he was a Colonel. Not unheard of for them to see 
 >> combat 
 >> in that era 
 >> 
 >>>> William Henry Harrison -- Ditto 
 >> 
 >> Say lots of combat against the indians. 
 > 
 > Were you there? 
  
 No but apparantly you were. Please enlighten us. 
 > 
 >> 
 >>>> Rutherford Hayes -- Same 
 >> 
 >> Strange how he got wounded if, as you say, he never saw combat. 
 > 
 > It amazing how getting any kind of injury means you're wounded in 
 > combat. 
 > He likely fell out of bed and hit his head on the floor. 
  
 And you know this how? 
 > 
 >> 
 >>>> Andrew Jackson -- Actually did fight and really did kill. One of 
 >>>> a 
 >>>> very few number. 
 >>>> John F. Kennedy -- Some question as to his combat record. Likely 
 >>>> commanded a PT boat because they were unlikely to see action. 
 >>>> Just 
 >>>> J.F. 
 >>>> K's luck it didn't turn out that way. 
 >>> 
 >>>> A. Lincoln -- Really did fight. 
 >>> 
 >>>> William Mckinley -- Actually was an member of command staff. 
 >>>> Secretary 
 >>>> will a rank. 
 >> 
 >> A Private as a member of Command staff? He ended the war as a 
 >> brevet 
 >> Major 
 >>> 
 >>>> James Monroe -- he fought. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Theodore Roosevelt -- He said he did. 
 >> 
 >> So did the men he commanded 
 > 
 > Paid to say that. Wouldn't you? 
  
 Says who? 
  
 > 
 > 
 >> 
 >>> 
 >>>> Zachery Taylor -- Fought, but who cares? It's Zachary Taylor. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Nixon, Ford and Johnson were all in WWII and may or 
 >>>> may not have seen combat 
 >>> 
 >>> Are you kidding? Only the media or the motor pool was shot at. 
 >>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Jimmy Carter was in the Navy and may have seen service 
 >>>> in Korea 
 >>> 
 >>> Was in the US Navy so little got so match as a scratch in Korea. 
 >> 
 >> Not sure what you mean here. He was in the Navy for 7 years. 
 > 
 > And never got so much as a scratch - pretty obvious. 
  
 Not getting a scratch and not being in Korea are 2 different things. 
  
 It seems he wasn't but not being sure, I said "May have" 
 > 
 > The one thing I've noticed in politics is that one's record on 
 > anything 
 > is embellished. If someone fell out of bed, they were wounded in 
 > action. 
 > If they wrote the orders, they lead the men in combat. Politicians 
 > cannot be trusted under any circumstance. 
  
 Why not? Or didn't Dwight Eisehower actually have something to do 
 with winning WWII? 
  
 Don Wagner 
  
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