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 From: klunk@theothershoe.org 
  
 > It is Called the Illuminati... 
 > 13 families 
 > lotsa people! 
 > big plans 
 > For the Order of Death 
 > They own and run australia England USA CDN and the rest of the world mybe 
 even 
 > sitzerland? They are Called the UN <---IMF---> all one world bank 
 > 
 > Hitler Was part of the 3rd Reich  and a fascist movement which Installed 
 Fear 
 > and terror and which is part of trauma brainwashing techniques invented by 
 the 
 > illuminati 
 > I've never heard of him being a freemason 
  
 wow, quicktinker... didya get that from yer comic collection?... since you 
 cited 
 "New World Order" to me before... didya find any connections with that 
 concept 
 in your deep investigations into that insidious conspiratorial group, the 
 illuminati? 
  
  
 >>> The first duty of every Mason is to obey the Mandate of the Master.The 
 order 
 >>> must at once be obeyed; its character and its consequences may be matters 
 of 
 >>> subsequent inquiry. The Masonic rule of obedience is like the nautical, 
 >>> Imperative: "Obey orders, even if you break owners." 
 >>> 
 >>> A Mason should know how to obey those who are set over him, however 
 inferior 
 >>> they may be in worldly rank; or condition." 
 >> 
 >> Sounds like a bunch of cult members who aren't allowed to think for 
 >> themselves... 
 >> "The order must *at once be obeyed*..." 
 >> "However inferior they may be..." 
  
 >> What sort of mentality tolerates these conditions? How does Free apply to 
 >> Free Masons when "an order must at once be obeyed"? What's free about the 
 >> free mason's? They sound like a bunch of automatons...doing what they're 
 >> told - without question. Accepting labels like "inferior"... Was Hitler a 
 >> free mason? 
  
 hey Irish, (Free)Masonic traditions stretch back throughout the centuries 
 and 
 have had their roots attributed to Druidic and Alchemical traditions... many 
 splinters have been forged over the centuries with many diverse 
 manifestations 
 such as the Rosicrucians and although much insidious plotting has been 
 attributed toward their "secretiveness"... much of it (the secrecy aspect of 
 their "inner-circles") has resulted from historical precedent for survival 
 arising from situations such as Galileo's "punishments for heretical 
 dallyings"... (most) of the mainstream traditions have evolved from an 
 adherence 
 to a belief in independent thinking... check out the writings of Robert 
 Anton 
 Wilson for some entertaining and insightful descriptions of various aspects 
 of 
 their history... afaik, anyone can become a member of one of the many lodges 
 throughout the world... they do have their own rituals that one must follow 
 to 
 "rise up throughout" their own hierarchy, which is no different than any 
 "religious" organization (or as in any other organization, for that matter). 
  
 --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 
  * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)