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 From: penny@pen.rhys 
  
 On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:55:34 GMT, LC@dinkerson.com (Ladies Choice) 
 wrote: 
  
 >In article <37hgs1dq3qvivfo5gut8biihgmkvfvmmhj@4ax.com>, penny@pen.rhys 
 says... 
 >> 
 >>On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:44:06 GMT, "pcourterelle"  
 >>wrote: 
 >> 
 >>>"penny"  wrote in message 
 >>>news:1ju7s1d9l5t2opccph9gt0nch2u9fgbekf@4ax.com... 
 >>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:42:53 GMT, "Tom Morrison" 
 >>>>  wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>>>As stated earlier, I don't believe the size of the market has anything 
 to 
 >>>>>do with the effectiveness of any prohibition. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> It does in a democracy. 
 >>> 
 >>>State precisely by what mechanism a democracy limits the effectiveness of 
 >>>black markets? 
 >> 
 >>Democracies have laws that protect the people from being ripped off. 
 >>One example is "price controls". 
 >> 
 >>The black market in Pharmaceutical Drugs  on the Internet is thriving 
 >>in  America.    Here in Canada we have "price controls" on 
 >>pharmaceuticals so even though our drug prices are high they are 
 >>nowhere close to the prices in the US. That's why American seniors are 
 >>pouring over our borders to buy our drugs or are buying from Canadian 
 >>pharmacists on the Net. 
 >> 
 > 
 >Well since USA is a democracy, obviously price controls on pharmacuticals 
 have 
 >nothing to do with democracy, and if anything, if democracy had some 
 >relationship with freedom, which it doesn't, then the freedom to be able to 
 >charge whatever you want for your drugs would be more 'democratic' than not 
 >being able to. 
  
  
 A free market ideology which you are espousing is the very thing that 
 takes freedom away from the ordinary people of Canada and America. 
 and it is the very ideology that is charging around the world right 
 now in the guise of "free trade'" which should more properly be called 
 corporate globalization. 
  
 A democracy is for the people , by the people and with the people. 
  
  Over time the dynamics of all political systems change including 
 democracies.   Both America and Canada have deteriorated into 
 plutocracies but it's happened in the US to a much greater extent than 
 Canada .. 
  
  Also in the US the ruling Bushites now have control of the Congress, 
 the Senate and the  Judicial System, and there is one voice speaking 
 in the US. 
  
  Since the Bush Party are for the rich and the mega corporations they 
 would not  support a bill for price controls because it's against 
 their free market policies and their allegiance to  their big lobby 
 groups the mega and transnational corporations. 
  
 Martin has managed to keep some semblances of our democracy such as 
 price controls and a social safety net albeit a diminishing one, 
  because he really cares about the ordinary Canadian.And under 
 Corporate globalization that hasn't been any mean feat on his part 
 living next door to the Bushies. 
  
 When Harper gets in he'll embrace laissez -fairdom of corporate 
 globalization and take it to the nth degree by deregulating all that's 
 left between little accountabilty on the part of the trans -nationals 
 to absolutely no accountability . 
  
 > 
 >Just quit using the word 'democracy', fools.  It's not as powerful as you 
 think 
 >it is, and it doesn't mean whatever you want it to mean. 
  
  
 You're resorting to name-calling.  Doesn't that mean you've lost 
 whatever argument there is. ;-) 
  
 Penny 
  
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