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 From: penny@pen.rhys 
  
 On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:13:59 GMT, 10x@telu€s.net wrote: 
  
 >On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:29 -0500, penny  wrote: 
 > 
 >>On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:38:46 GMT, 10x@telu€s.net wrote: 
 >> 
 >>>On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:11:08 GMT, LC@dinkerson.com (Ladies Choice) 
 >>>wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>>In article , 10x@telu€s.net 
 says... 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>>And handguns are not used to hunt for food. not that you need to in a 
 >>>>>>society where it is all done for you. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>A very small percentage of the handgun bullets fired in Canada are 
 >>>>>fired at humans. The rest are fired at targets.  Just because a person 
 >>>>>shoots a handgun recreanally does not mean she is practicing to kill 
 >>>>>people. A golfer swings a club and practices his swing. it doesn't 
 >>>>>mean he's going to hit someone with a club. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>I hope a target shooter is practicing to kill, because the more he 
 practices, 
 >>>>the more likely a stray bullet won't hit me when he's out trying to kill 
 a 
 >>>>certain person. 
 >>> 
 >>>Of the fifty five million shotshells fired from shotguns every year in 
 >>>Canada very few are fired at human beings. 
 >>>Of the hundreds of millions of .22 rimfire ammunition fired every 
 >>>year, very few are fired at human beings. 
 >>>Even fewer human beings are injured or killed by gunshot wounds in 
 >>>Canada. 
 >> 
 >>But all of that shooting of five million shotshells  is useless. It 
 >>has no purpose.  With a knife you can peel a potato, but you can't 
 >>peel a potato with a gun.  An aspirin might cure your pain, but a gun 
 >>cannot cure pain. . A car can transport you anywhere you want.  You 
 >>can take your children to their after-school hobbies in a car.  A gun 
 >>won't take you anywhere except to a hole in the ground in a coffin or 
 >>to a hospital trauma ward. 
 >> 
 >>Guns are useless. 
 > 
 >As are golf clubs, and baseball bats, but folks still use them 
 >recreartionally and enjoy them. 
  
 You are wrong. Golf clubs and baseball bats have uses which guns 
 don't.  The are used recreationally to play team sports, or individual 
 and team sports.  Their purpose is not to shoot and kill or maim. 
 They are not intrinsically dangerous weapons although they are 
 sometimes used as dangerous weapons. 
  
 >Were you aware that studies in some Northern U.S. states show that 
 >youth who get firearms safety training and own firearms are far less 
 >likely to be involved in gangs, or do anything that will result in 
 >criminal charges. 
  
 I'd have to see the statistics on that along with a follow-up showing 
 how many of them were involved in some kind of illegal shooting 
 incidents in their lives. 
 > 
 >>>To put things in perspective.  Non steroidal anti inflamatory 
 >>>compounds  (NSAIDS) kill over 1500 Canadians a year.  Many of these 
 >>>deaths occur while under the care of a physician.  And the name of 
 >>>this NSAID that kills more folks than gun shot, Aspirin... 
 >>>Using the argument used to ban guns would also ban Aspirin... 
 >>> 
 >>>Or you are safer from acts of violence by gun owners thatn you are 
 >>>from taking medicines in your bathroom. 
 >> 
 >>You choose to take aspirin whereas you don't choose to be shot. 
 >>Medicines have their uses.  Many people take aspirin to alleviate a 
 >>pain, more fool them if they can read and have a computer. 
 > 
 >Folks who choose to take aspirin regualarly, or under the supervision 
 >of a physician to relieve pain run far greater risks than the average 
 >Canadian from getting shot.  Gunshot wounds are extremely rare in 
 >Canada. 
  
 It doesn't alter the fact that people choose for themselves 
  to take aspirin whether under a doctor's guidance or not.  One 
 doesn't chose to be shot or wounded.   It's thrust upon a person by 
 some third party , or it could be an accident. 
  
 There are about four times as many gun shot wounds as there are 
 homicides.  That seems to be a standard number for all homicides 
 wherever you look. 
 > 
 > 
 >>Guns don't have any uses other than to kill or wound. 
 > 
 >Once again you are wrong. A gun shoots a bullet. There are millions of 
 >bullets fired in Canada every year that are not fired at humans or 
 >unsafely.  When one considers how many times firearms really are used 
 >in Canada and the very low number of accidents, firarms are very safe. 
  
  
 Guns used in target practices are shooting at inanimate targets and 
 not people. Those millions of bullets you mention are fired at target 
 ranges.  How many times do you miss when you are firing at an 
 inanimate target.  They have nothing to do with the guns that are used 
 on the general population and kill hundreds of people year after year. 
  
 > 
 >IT is a human with criminal intent who decides to shoot at other 
 >humans.  Miscreants who have values that allow them to do this will do 
 >other illegal and immoral things. They should be delt with. 
  
 > 
 Very true. Meanwhile how does the general population know who these 
 miscreants are. They don't . And that's why to make things more safe 
 for the general population we have a registration of all guns owned by 
 everyone in Canada ( when the final foolhardy standouts comply).and 
 the more stringent licensing of gun owners which kept over 15,000 of 
 these "miscreants" from having access to legal guns. 
  
 If any of them find a legal gun the new punishments will perhaps be 
 prohibitive. 
  
 Penny 
 > 
 >take the € out of 10x@telu€s.net to email me 
  
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