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 "penny"  wrote in message 
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 > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:42:53 GMT, "Tom Morrison" 
 >  wrote: 
  
  
 >>As stated earlier, I don't believe the size of the market has anything to 
 >>do 
 >>with the effectiveness of any prohibition. 
 > 
 > It does in a democracy. 
  
 State precisely by what mechanism a democracy limits the effectiveness of 
 black markets? 
 Essential freedoms such as mobility and protection from unnecessary police 
 survelliance and intrusion actually improve the economics of a black market. 
 See Narcotics for an example. This is the quintessential black market. Or 
 bear gall bladders. Or elephant ivory. Or Cuban cigars in the US. Or child 
 pornography. 
  
  
 >>What aggressive lobby? In Canada? 
 > 
 > Wow!  You mean you don't know about the strong bonds  between the NRA 
 > and the CFA.  The NRA has a legal wing called the ILA, Institute for 
 > Legal Action which they use to demolish anyone who dissents against 
 > them.  They have been instrumental in seeing that our Canadian 
 > National Firearms Association has its own ILA and a CILA has been 
 > born. It's become a very aggressive organization under the guidance of 
 > the globally dangerous NRA. 
  
 How about thousands of fish and game associations, gun clubs, hunters 
 associations, aboriginal groups, or are these average Canadians too 
 aggressive as well? 
 How has the ILA been instrumental in demolishing Canadian firearm laws? 
  
 You also fail to include in your list the rather aggressive tactics of the 
 anti-gun lobby in Canada. Or is the sweat off their brow somehow sweeter to 
 your tastes? Lobbying is lobbying is lobbying. 
  
 > I understand the need for long guns especially in farming areas and 
 > also for hunting for FOOD and not for sport.  We have enough food in 
 > society that none of us have to hunt .    Anyone that is unable to get 
 > enough food and is  using a food bank wouldn't be able to afford an 
 > expensive  gun and the other wherewithal to afford to hunt. 
  
 What right is it of yours to declare how others should live? What right is 
 it of yours to condemn 1000s of law abiding Canadians? 
 Oscar Wilde was right, patriotism is the last, desperate act of the vicious. 
  
 > I don't see the need for handguns.  The only people who should have 
 > handguns in our society are the police and the miltary. 
  
 The fact that you don't see the need for handguns is not an excuse for 
 limiting the choice of others. 
 There's a description for that. It's called tyranny of the righteous. 
  
 pc 
  
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