XPost: calgary.general, can.general, can.politics 
 XPost: edm.general 
 From: campbell@neotext.ca 
  
 On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:36:39 GMT 
 "Len McLaughlin"  wrote: 
  
 > 
 > "Duncan Patton"  wrote in message 
 > news:20050122015036.511f7822@babayaga.neotext.ca... 
 > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:57:00 -0800 
 > "Detector"  wrote: 
 > 
 > > 
 > > TC  wrote in message 
 > > news:yX9Id.14051$Ka6.97223@news1.mts.net... 
 > > > BTW, social change agents are salivating over the dis-solution of 
 > > > marriage 
 > > > and heterosexuality. 
 > > 
 > > Good, families suck and fuck marraige!  The nuclear family is just a 
 > > breeding ground for abuse, it is not the way humans were meant to live. 
 > > We 
 > > need to get into clans and raise the kids communally in the ancient way. 
 > > That way any abuse is known right away and can be dealt with(hanging the 
 > > diddlers, and corporal punishment perverts from a tree). 
 > > 
 > > Take it from someone who knows, the nuclear family is shit. 
 > 
 > The nuclear family never existed, solo, in any great numbers before 
 > the invention of TV.  People didn't live like that, 200 years 
 > ago, if they didn't have to. 
 > 
 > A nuclear family is only the most basic, stripped down, version of 
 > a "functional" human society.  Most people have extended "families" 
 > that include friends and relatives.   I feel sorry for you. 
 > 
 > Dhu 
 > === 
 > 
 >  In the big picture, it's the ''extended family'' unit that is the 
 'proven' 
 > backbone of  ''progressive'' societies in the world today.  Through out 
 > man's history, various societies have tried  all  the combinations and 
 > permutations of 'marriage', so nothing is really new.    When people stop 
 > having kids, the extended family will cease to exist but so will 
 > man....problem solved. 
 > -Len 
 > ========= 
 > 
  
 Yes.  The nuclear family is only the most limited subset of a human society 
 that is reproduceable.  It is not the most robust and, by itself, not 
 the most pleasant social structure available. 
  
 A gay friend of mine pointed out, in film and lit, that the "Leave it to 
 Beaver" 
 family of the '50s was a construct that was promulgated thru the middle of 
 the 
 last century thru a media code that was forced upon Hollywood by the RC 
 church 
 and some other statist groups who see the arts as a focus for "sinful 
 thinking". 
  
 The reduction of american society thru the use of such limited social models 
 has 
 resulted in a population that is as profoundly ill at ease with themselves 
 as 
 with 
 rest of human society.  This renders us easily parasitized by groups that 
 hold 
 their own societies in higher regard than we do. 
  
 Dhu 
  
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