XPost: calgary.general, can.general, can.politics
XPost: edm.general
From: shhh@donttell.org
In Don Wagner wrote:
>
> "Jon Flamming" wrote in message
> news:20050118090757511-0700@news.telusplanet.net...
>> In Don Wagner wrote:
>>>
>>> "Jon Flamming" wrote in message
>>> news:20050116231726483-0700@news.telusplanet.net...
>>>> In Don Wagner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1105911628.864007.140910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> "Press your nose and make a buzzer sound" Glen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question was: "How many Presidents have fought in combat in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> last 200 years?"
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> The answer is still "zero". No Presidents have *ever* been in
>>>>>> combat.
>>>>>
>>>>> In no particular order
>>>>>
>>>>> Garfeild -- Colonel in the Civil War. May have been at the
>>>>> battle,
>>> Brigadeer, later Major General. Led a brigade at Middle Creek,
>>> Kentuckey
>>
>> Ooooo...Battle of Middle Creek. Lucky for him he managed to avoid
>> Gettysburg.
>
> I see. So Gettysburg was the only battle of the Civil war?
No. There were too many battles that were just as bloody. But Middle
Creek was a small action, a tiny action, of little note. Likely Garfield
was more surprised than anyone that his safe commission actually got him
into a battle.
>>
>>
>>>>> but may not have seen action. Wealthy family, you see.
>>>
>>> Right. Fatherless at 2. Canal boat horse driver. Wealthy my ass.
>>
>> He did get into politics, right? Made it to a brigader, right?
>> Sounds
>> like there was monied influence at work.
>
> So please point out where it came from.
He sold himself and his influencial office; they all do it.
>>
>>>
>>>>> George Bush -- The elder? Flew torpedo bombers in the Pacfic. Was
>>>>> shot
>>>>> down and recovered.
>>>
>>> The Elder
>>>
>>>>> Gerald Ford -- Who cares?
>>>
>>>>> U.S. Grant -- About the only real fighting he did was in the
>>>>> Mexican
>>>>> War. Commanded during the Civil War as a general, but generals
>>>>> never
>>>>> see action anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> Benjamin Harrison -- Another higher-ranking officer. Never really
>>>>> saw
>>>>> combat. Wealthy family.
>>>
>>> Born on a farm. Not wealthy. What does wealth have to do with it
>>> anyway?
>>
>> Family owned land, therefore, wealthy. As for the wealth aspect of
>> it,
>> it was well-known that wealthy families could assure that their sons
>> could serve in the Civil War, but never see combat, unless there was
>> some unforeseen circumstance. Hell, even during conscription, anyone
>> could get out of service if they paid $300. That where they got the
>> term,
>> "Rich man's war, poor man's fight."
>
> So are you saying he never saw combat? Please provide a cite.
Harrison would say he did see combat. In fact, Harrison likely said he
had three horses shot out from underneath him, rallied his troops and
lead a crucial counter-attack that won the day. Embellishment,
embellishment, embellishment.
>
>>
>>> As far as combat, he was a Colonel. Not unheard of for them to see
>>> combat
>>> in that era
>>>
>>>>> William Henry Harrison -- Ditto
>>>
>>> Say lots of combat against the indians.
>>
>> Were you there?
>
> No but apparantly you were. Please enlighten us.
The point is no one may have been there. However, there was an account
that was corroberated by someone. How many times has someone been
elevated to hero because there was one witness who *saw* everything?
>>
>>>
>>>>> Rutherford Hayes -- Same
>>>
>>> Strange how he got wounded if, as you say, he never saw combat.
>>
>> It amazing how getting any kind of injury means you're wounded in
>> combat.
>> He likely fell out of bed and hit his head on the floor.
>
> And you know this how?
Anyone who runs from public office lies. You should be aware of that by
now.
>>
>>>
>>>>> Andrew Jackson -- Actually did fight and really did kill. One of
>>>>> a
>>>>> very few number.
>>>>> John F. Kennedy -- Some question as to his combat record. Likely
>>>>> commanded a PT boat because they were unlikely to see action.
>>>>> Just
>>>>> J.F.
>>>>> K's luck it didn't turn out that way.
>>>>
>>>>> A. Lincoln -- Really did fight.
>>>>
>>>>> William Mckinley -- Actually was an member of command staff.
>>>>> Secretary
>>>>> will a rank.
>>>
>>> A Private as a member of Command staff? He ended the war as a
>>> brevet
>>> Major
>>>>
>>>>> James Monroe -- he fought.
>>>>
>>>>> Theodore Roosevelt -- He said he did.
>>>
>>> So did the men he commanded
>>
>> Paid to say that. Wouldn't you?
>
> Says who?
History tells us those in certain high offices who seek fame and
reputation will even buy it if it suits them. Surely you must know this
by now.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Zachery Taylor -- Fought, but who cares? It's Zachary Taylor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nixon, Ford and Johnson were all in WWII and may or
>>>>> may not have seen combat
>>>>
>>>> Are you kidding? Only the media or the motor pool was shot at.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jimmy Carter was in the Navy and may have seen service
>>>>> in Korea
>>>>
>>>> Was in the US Navy so little got so match as a scratch in Korea.
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean here. He was in the Navy for 7 years.
>>
>> And never got so much as a scratch - pretty obvious.
>
> Not getting a scratch and not being in Korea are 2 different things.
>
> It seems he wasn't but not being sure, I said "May have"
>>
>> The one thing I've noticed in politics is that one's record on
>> anything
>> is embellished. If someone fell out of bed, they were wounded in
>> action.
>> If they wrote the orders, they lead the men in combat. Politicians
>> cannot be trusted under any circumstance.
>
> Why not? Or didn't Dwight Eisehower actually have something to do
> with winning WWII?
Eisenhower was no more than a bureaucrat who stay well away from the
action and so much as get a scratch. He lived comfortably and gave
orders while others were slaughtered.
>
>
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