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From: nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au
"Dore" wrote in message
news:jaDPc.1702$412.1300@trndny04...
> "Andrew W (Agnostic Mystic)" wrote in
> message news:410c640d$0$16425$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > Callousness is an imperfection. A callous god is an imperfect and evil
> god.
>
> God isn't callous,
He's planing to wipe most of us out and torture us is he not?
Even though there is no evidence that we are hurting him in any way.
I know you said a while back that we are hurting him with our sins, but
there is no doctrine that I'm aware of that backs up this claim of yours.
> cont
> >
> > What exactly makes you think I'm evil?
> > Because I don't take up an interest in the Christian God? (note that
there
> > are thousands of gods in man's history)
> > Because I don't bow down to the Christian God?
> > Any fool can bow down before another. A wise person checks out all
stories
> > and chooses their beliefs carefully.
>
> Denial, sins, ignorance, pretense, arrogance, contempt, rebellion,
dishonor
> and disrespect of YOUR CREATOR, is that enough or do you want more?
I don't yet know who my creator is so none of the above is applicable.
I don't believe humans have the faculties required to be able to determine
who their true creator is and I don't believe that that's the reason we're
in this world anyway.
>
> There may be thousands of gods throughout history, but there is truly ONLY
> ONE GOD, who CREATED the whole Universe,
Who could that be? Let me guess. The Christian God?
> and ALL others are false and imagined by men.
Don't let the other religions hear you say that about *their* One True God.
> Your problem is that you have NOT "checked" out, sought,
> considered or researched the truths of God,
I have "checked" out and sought etc. plenty for you information.
All I've found so far is a slew of conflicting doctrines and superstitious
traditions.
Did you do balanced research of all data available in this world or did all
of your research consist of reading just one book - the Bible?
I don't believe that this world has any truths of the true benevolent
Creator of all.
You claim that the Christian God is the true God but I've found that he's
actually among the most immoral and self-centred out of the gods and I'm not
alone in my findings.
> but have self-servingly and
> pretentiously just denied Him without doing anything at all. YOU bow down
to
> LIARS and the evil ones that defy GOD, and yet pretend that you don't,
even
> lying to yourself.
Your beliefs about me are noted.
>
> cont
>
> > Did you check out all the other stories about deities before choosing,
or
> > did you just say "yep, this bible says it's the word of the one true God
> so I'm in" ?
> >
> No, I believed the Bible and did what it commanded, demanded and required
I thought so. You did no balanced research at all.
You just read the Bible from cover to cover like a paperback novel and then
believed all it's claims of truth about itself.
> and then His truths were miraculously and spiritually proven to be true.
You experience what you believe.
If you'd have chosen another god then you would probably now be saying all
the same things about him.
> Then after receiving such awesome miracles and revelations, with common
> sense, logic and empowerment by these truths, was given righteousness and
> discernment of what is true and what is lies, what is evil and what is
good
> on the earth and the concepts of men, and KNEW without a doubt, with the
> help and miraculous revelations from the Holy Spirit of God, with all
power,
> wisdom, knowledge, righteousness and truths, that there is NO other.
Good for you. I'm really happy for you.
>
> > > What makes you think I am looking for followers? I am the JUDGE. I
> don't
> > > need an entourage, I can do my work all by myself.
> >
> > How convenient.
> >
> Isn't it though? How wonderful is the God that I serve, above all others
and
> all things.
You're in love. I can tell.
>
> cont
>
> > Question: Given that you have no followers here, what percentage of the
> > worlds population do you estimate are going to avoid annihilation on
> > judgement day?
> > Ten percent? Five percent? One percent? None?
>
>
> Few, as it was written and proven to be true in discerning the righteous
> from the wicked.
It was proven? Where is this proof exactly?
Another question: If a human is nothing more than a physical body with God's
spirit breathed into it, then when a person dies, the physical body goes to
the grave and the spirit/soul (which is God's) goes back to him.
But if the destination is hell, then won't it be God's spirit that will go
to hell?
>
> Matt 7:13-14
> 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the
> way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
> 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto
> life, and few there be that find it.
> KJV
>
> But I start with 144,000.
>
> Rev 7:4
> 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
an
> hundred and forty and four thousand
> KJV
What a coincidence! 144,000 is the same number that new agers like to use
too!
It's a small world!
>
> cont
> > > A human cannot see clearly what is before him a mile away, until he
gets
> > > there, therefore the only true wise position is to pluck out his eyes
> and
> > > be blind.
> >
> > Sick.
>
> You just hate analogies when it proves yours to be so foolish, don't you?
To be honest I didn't really understand your analogy so I can't comment on
whether it proved anything.
--
Andrew W.
It is said that the scriptures were written by people who were inspired by
God but when exactly did God stop inspiring people and why?
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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