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 From: leddyman@nospam.butt 
  
 Andrew W (Agnostic Spiritualist) wrote: 
  
    
  
 >>God isn't callous, 
 > 
 > 
 > He's planing to wipe most of us out and torture us is he not? 
 > Even though there is no evidence that we are hurting him in any way. 
 > I know you said a while back that we are hurting him with our sins, but 
 > there is no doctrine that I'm aware of that backs up this claim of yours. 
 > 
 > 
  
 Of course there isn't such a doctrine....we cannot hurt God, save for 
 breaking his heart. He's not going to send anyone to hell for breaking 
 his heart.  God has children that he has redeemed by the blood of 
 Christ.  You may hurt THEM, and many people do. Be that as it may, God 
 is preparing a place for his children where there will no longer be the 
 injustice and pain that we suffer in this fallen world.  No sinful thing 
 may enter in.  If you refuse the offer of God he is going to kill you 
 for the same reason I would(the only reason I would)...To protect his 
 children from you. I also don't believe that he is going to torture you. 
 I think that the second death is eternal destruction, you will only 
 suffer for as long as it takes for you to be destroyed.  However I don't 
 know.....It could be for ever.  If you refuse to be reconsiled to your 
 father you will have to find out for yourself. 
  
  
  
  
 > I don't yet know who my creator is so none of the above is applicable. 
 > I don't believe humans have the faculties required to be able to determine 
 > who their true creator is and I don't believe that that's the reason we're 
 > in this world anyway. 
 > 
  
 What do you LOVE? he's in there. (realizing that you'll probably say 
 porn or something like that just to blow my point) 
  
 > 
 > I have "checked" out and sought etc. plenty for you information. 
 > All I've found so far is a slew of conflicting doctrines and superstitious 
 > traditions. 
 > 
 > Did you do balanced research of all data available in this world or did all 
 > of your research consist of reading just one book - the Bible? 
 > 
 > I don't believe that this world has any truths of the true benevolent 
 > Creator of all. 
 > You claim that the Christian God is the true God but I've found that he's 
 > actually among the most immoral and self-centred out of the gods and I'm 
 not 
 > alone in my findings. 
 > 
  
  
 You can't prove God. You believe with your Heart not your head. 
 Which is the problem of the one you are arguing with. he seems to think 
 he can argue you into accepting God....Can't be done. But apart from him 
 you'll perish just the same. 
  
  
  
 > 
 > 
 > Your beliefs about me are noted. 
 > 
  
 I believe you really would love to KNOW that God is real and that all of 
 the promises in the Bible are true. 
  
  
  
  
 God bless you, 
 Good Luck 
  
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